Racial compostion among Albanians and Serbs, Coon

[ILIR]

Ghegs are the albanians of the north mainlly from Kosova
Almost all of the Ghegs are light-skinned, with the von Luschan #3 and 7 most frequently represented. Freckling, common in Montenegro, is rare here; what little there is is confined almost entirely to the tribes nearest Old Montenegro, and here it reaches but 5 per cent. The head hair is usually brunet, with black or near black reaching 40 per cent, and dark to medium brown 45 per cent. Light brown or blond hair, which is almost always on the golden or slightly rufous side, accounts for the other 15 per cent. Only two men out of 1100 were found to have ash-blond hair. As in Montenegro, the beards are much lighter than the head hair; the black contingent is reduced to 6 per cent, while 36 per cent are reddish brown or auburn, 3 per cent red, and 30 per cent golden blond or light brown with a golden tinge. The rufous tendency, while not as pronounced as in parts of Montenegro, exists to the virtual exclusion of ash-blondism. Regionally, the darkest hair is found in Mirdita and in the eastern border; the lightest in the west and south.

Seventeen per cent of Ghegs have pure brown eyes, and 7 per cent pure light ones. Half the group has green-brown iris combinations and 20 per cent blue-brown. Of the mixed eyes, 30 per cent are dark-mixed, and 48 per cent predominantly light, the rest nearly even. The Ghegs are, therefore, thoroughly mixed, or almost completely intermediate, in eye color, with the blond element or elements slightly more important than the brunet. The darkest eyes are found in Dukagin, and in Malsia Jakova, NOTICE!!!on the border of Old Serbia; there 25 per cent of eyes are brown. Elsewhere there is little regional differentiation.

The Serbs are darker in pigmentation than either the Slovenes or the Croatians; 45 per cent of eyes are pure brown (Martin #2-4), as against 20 per cent which are pure or nearly pure light. Over 55 per cent have black or dark brown hair, while light browns and blonds come to less than 10 per cent. The beards are, of course, often lighter than the head hair. The skin is brunet-white or light-brown in at least a third of the total. It is unlikely that the prevalence of brunet pigmentation among the Serbs came from a Slavic source, and as we shall presently see, the high incidence of dark eyes can hardly be called Dinaric. By elimination we must suppose that the Serbs, in their sojourn in northern Macedonia. accumulated a strong brunet tendency.

[AlboIllyrian]

Yes serbs (majority) are close with Fyrom SllavoMacedonians and Bulgarians

[AlboIllyrian]

Ghegs are the albanians of the north mainlly from Kosova


He did not study Albanians from Montenegro, Fyrom Macedonia and Lugina e Presheves (South Serbia)...they are clear 100% Dinarik...

[neopagan]

I have an anthropological magazine of the fascism era (1930-1940) with a special text about albanians.
The author say that in his opinion, the albanians would fit in an autonomous subcategory "the illyrians", separate from the dinarics.
Obviously this is only the personal opinion of the author, but it was interesting , in his opinion the "illyric subrace" is somehow distinct from the dinaric one.

The source is in italian but there are nice pics
http://metadestra.altervista.org/index.php?pid=35
Click on the images to enlarge.

[Night_Shadow]

The Serbs are darker in pigmentation than either the Slovenes or the Croatians; 45 per cent of eyes are pure brown (Martin #2-4), as against 20 per cent which are pure or nearly pure light. Over 55 per cent have black or dark brown hair, while light browns and blonds come to less than 10 per cent. The beards are, of course, often lighter than the head hair. The skin is brunet-white or light-brown in at least a third of the total. It is unlikely that the prevalence of brunet pigmentation among the Serbs came from a Slavic source, and as we shall presently see, the high incidence of dark eyes can hardly be called Dinaric. By elimination we must suppose that the Serbs, in their sojourn in northern Macedonia. accumulated a strong brunet tendency.

Serbs are Aryans, you like it or not!

[neopagan]

Serbs are Aryans, you like it or not!

Obviously the Serbs are Aryans, but i don't think that what Coon writes imply otherwise

[ILIR]

Serbs are Aryans, you like it or not!

I didn't say they were not, I just posted a study by Proff. Dr. Carleton Coon!

[ILIR]

I have an anthropological magazine of the fascism era (1930-1940) with a special text about albanians.
The author say that in his opinion, the albanians would fit in an autonomous subcategory "the illyrians", separate from the dinarics.
Obviously this is only the personal opinion of the author, but it was interesting , in his opinion the "illyric subrace" is somehow distinct from the dinaric one.

The source is in italian but there are nice pics
http://metadestra.altervista.org/index.php?pid=35
Click on the images to enlarge.
Can you summarize what it says? Thanks...

By the way...The Albanians are a mix of the different ancient Illyrian tribes, + some ancient Epirotes and ancient Macedonians, who by the way were originally considered illyrians before they got hellenized and this is proved by historians according to the names of people places words etc that they had before hellenization...Probably the purest Illyrians you can find are in the Northern Albanian Mountains in the former capital of Illyrian city Shkodra and Montenegro Albanians!! They also have the most interesting traditions out of everybody, that's why they are the most studied by foreign scholars out of all the parts of ethic Albanian lands...Read the "Highland Lute" by Gjergj Fishta you can find a translation by Robert Elsie the best Albanologist...If you want to learn something about probably the most purest Illyrians of all, study the northern Albanian tribes who even under the turkish rule remained catholics and never payed any taxes...lived in the mountains like crazy for hundreds of years!

[neopagan]

Can you summarize what it says? Thanks...



An introduction: during the fascist era Italy was officialy a racialist country, and this magazine "La difesa della razza" (The defence of the Race) was the most important magazine about race.

The article about albanians is quite long, but i try to summarize it
-First the author talks about the history of the illiryan people
-Then he starts to talk about albanians and he says that they are the only descendants of the illiryan tribes
-He talks about the turk domination, stating that they "islamized" the country, but the albanians keeped their racial profile.
-History of Scanderbeg and migration of some albanians in Italy
-He talks about the other inputs on the illiryan stock: celts, ellenics, sicilians.
He states that there aren't semitic traces in the subrace.
-Differences between albanians and slavs
-The illiryans are an autonomous subrace and not dinarics in his opinion.
Differences: less "marked" facial features and noses than the dinarics, most brachycefals or mesocefals.
Prevalence of long-limbed types.
-Division between Gheghs and Tosks, different dialect, but indoeuropean language. More blondism in the Tosks.
Then he says the same thing that you wrote: the purest albanians are in the mountains and they have more traditional values: the laws "of the blood".
The albanians are a warrior people because they lived often in war , but they have also a strong mysticism.

[ILIR]

Yes, but I disagree with one thing...becaus many illyrians if not all mixed with hellens so they produced the dinaric race...isn't the dinaric a mix of Nordic (Illyrian) and Mediterenian (Hellenic) = Dinaric!!! + If you called a Illyrian, Illyrian, they would look at you confused since they were only called themselves by different names...

Let me explain something about Illyrians...The balkans had many UNRELATED tribes who were "Barbarian" and "Non-Hellenic" on the west side of the Balkans, and those unrelated tribes were called Illyrians in the Illyrian Peninsula...I dont know why...many of those Illyrian tribes mixed with each other..some left to other places and some got assimilated...Those tribes that got Hellenized avoided Roman assimilation, Venetians got Romanized however...even thou there is evidence of Illyrians until the 17th century in the Dalmatian coast...Many of the Northern Albanian tribes trace their founder around sothern Dalmatia...The southern Illyrians were the REAL Illyrians....They mixed with the Pelasgians (Epirotes) and Macedonians (Dorians), even thou not all of them!!!

Even thou SOME mixed, many retained basically pure ancient Balkanians...Albanians are made out of at least 10-15 different Illyrian tribes that we know so far...At least 6-9 are in the North, the other 3-6 are in the south!

[ILIR]

Here is a picture of how Albanians shaved their heads...just like the ancient Illyrians did according to some Roman Historians, before they went to battle!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c59/c0ldfir3/hai rcut1.gif

[Valdi]

Here is a picture of how Albanians shaved their heads...just like the ancient Illyrians did according to some Roman Historians, before they went to battle!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c59/c0ldfir3/hai rcut1.gif

I think Ukranian warriors had that hair cut to?

[Buery]

Bulgarian noble warriors also shaved their heads but left a single plait called "chembas". I think that the ritual of shaving is Indian and comes from the Brahmins.

[AlboIllyrian]

Neopagan thanks for articles :)...I like those photos (exp. our costumes) :)

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1428/albtropz1. jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7899/albtro2zt6 .jpg

[Feldmarschall]

Neopagan thanks for articles :)...I like those photos (exp. our costumes) :)


http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7899/albtro2zt6 .jpg

I have a friend in dardania who looks EXACTLY LIKE THIS GUY!THATS CRAZY.